post, diploma and ethical problem

[dzioo]

first of all, I'm really really PISSED. we have another general post workers' strike >< again.... the worst thing is, you cannot sent ANYTHING nor ANYTHING will reach you.... ameru, I'm really really sorry, we have some bad luck this year. I have your package prepared, but I won't send it until this thing calms down. same for cofie. your Mucha's bookmarks are still here for you as well as your sweets, but I just cannot send them ;_; I'm terribly sorry everyone, this situation is tiresome, every year the same thing on christmas but now it's even worse. that's why I'm always appoligising to you about my country's situation. because probably such issue would NOT be possible in any other place. uuggghh==;

diploma is going fine. I had some problems waiting for my construction's consultants because last week they went to US for a conference, and this week the line of students was HUGE. 2,5 hour of waiting==; but luckily now I know everything so generally, drawing is finished. tomorrow I'll get back the written part from my advisor, so only rendering and correcting small details would be left. phew^^ but then, bureaucracy is to be dealed with==; need to print documents, copy my index, resign from libraries, pay for diploma, go to photographer.... week's worth of work==;

so, everything's coming to an end soon. in 1,5 week, I'll have everything delivered to faculty's office, then examination is left... oh boy, my head's going to hurt>< wish me luck though!


[EDIT]
okay so there's a very delicate issue on which I want to know your opinion. there's a 14-year old girl here in Poland and she got raped. as a result of it, now she's pregnant. she doesn't want this child. and we have this catholic radiostation and TV channel, that is supported by current president and previous prime minister (president's twin as a matter of fact). this girl goes from one hospital to another, begging the doctors to help her remove this child. to every hospital she reaches, priests and reporters from those TV and radio stations follow her, making the doctors NOT help her. so now, she's at the age of 14, with baby on the way whose father she doesn't know, baby that'll probably be abandoned.

what do you think about this situation? because I'm utterly terrified and ashamed of living here right now. I'm catholic myself, I go to church on sundays. but right now realisation that I haven't given those bastards a single penny for 8 years pleases me like morning sunshine. I understand that abortion is killing a human being. it's a crime, okay. But for God's sake, she's only 14 and got RAPED! not every situation is the same, no girl that went to bed with a guy BECAUSE SHE FELT LIKE IT should be allowed to remove the baby that came in the process. it's her freaking responsibility, she could've thought about it first. but there are girls that are misfortunate and were in a wrong place at the wrong time. there are women, who'll lose their sight or suffer greater consequences if they become pregnant. they too have to sacrifice their childhood, their time, their health or life for a baby that THEY DIDN"T ASK FOR? in any possible way? if there's anything I'm missing here, please tell me, but I just don't get it. why must Poland be rulled by dickheads such as those?

Comments

[bgi-x.livejournal.com]

work hard^^''

about the girl... if i were from her family, i'd beat the crap out of every priest and tv/radio reporter that would come to the hospital. they deserve damn (divine?) punishment for making this girl give birth at this age.
and now i am so freaking proud of myself that i haven't been to church for last few years.

[knp01.livejournal.com]

I second that...

[ameru.livejournal.com]

oh my gosh... i hope the end their strike SOON. what the hell?! And since it's by air it should be there soon... in a few days >< auuu as long as it gets to you right? they can't for on strike for long can they??? well, it's a good thing we're both patient people hahaha.

ok about the girl thing. i think (1) the priests are wasting their time (2) Pope Benedict would be angry (3) the priests are totally wrong.

to explain myself, i'm not catholic. i'm what you commonly call Mormon. But we're both Christian ya. I know generally christians consider abortion wrong. But in cases like this individuals are or should be granted freedom to choose whether to keep the child or not. It think forcing her to keep it makes it even worse and traumatizing probably for the rest of her life.

(1) The priests are wasting their time because at the same time they're chasing this ONE girl, who knows how many other girls are getting abortion because of less acceptable reasons?! So why don't they shove some microphones up their hole and go around each hospital preventing all girls from getting abortion? Why don't they just make an abortion police? I think it's a good idea, if you're a dickhead. Meanwhile one of China's delicacies is baby soup.

(2) I have great respect for this man, even if he is not my pope. I think he would be angry.

(3) Self-explanatory. And you know what, catholic priests are ALL MEN. They don't KNOW what it is the burden of a life. (Though I don't either, but we try to view this situation in a general Christian's point of view). Once I watched a video on abortion and someone (I think it's the pop star Cher) said "If men could become pregnant, abortion would be legal." Something like that. These crapheads are too worried about their ideals than a little girl. But those ideals, in my opinion, are not true Christian's ideals.

there's my two cents. ya.

[duokai.livejournal.com]

Every country has its share of strikes, I think. But I admit that hearing about this kind make me almost believe that I do live in a well-ordered, nice country. But only almost.

Work hard then! Just a little more to go and then you've done it! And be careful with your little head! ^^

As for the edit part:

Under circumstances as of those, I think she definitely should have the right to abortion. I mean, even some of the more restrictive countries usually permits abortions in cases like this! She's the victim of a crime after all!

Having said that on this specific case, I must admit I also kind of agree with you on your more general statement (again, note that I'm NOT talking about the rape case now) about being responsible and taking the consequences of your own, voluntary actions. It's not something you hear around here everyday, exactly, so it's sort of refreshing to hear for me.

And this actually made me go study whatever happened to the abortion debate that we had some months ago about letting foreign citizens have abortions here. Turns out that from 1 January it is provided for under same rules as for Swedes and residents in Sweden, but the woman has to pay on her own (or her home country's public health insurance in those cases it works). (The "not for free" part probably ended up there to appease the critics who in the debate meant that state-paid abortions for non-Swedish residents would bring a flood of patients from a certain southern neighbour country...)

[knp01.livejournal.com]

according to Polish abortion law- szhe has the right to do so as an underaged victim of a rape. YET! The best part is the ginecologist has the right to refuse an abortion... because of his morals. Yes. Most of them would do it normally, but because of this catholic crowd apearrance, they say "no" just to look better in public. The sad thing is that no-one really thinks about the girl, but one's "what they'll think 'bout me", as if she didn't suffer enough.

[duokai.livejournal.com]

Thanks for clarifying that. I thought it was a little too odd even for Poland to formally outlaw that. Which of course almost make it even more horrible since she even has the full legal right to do it! Ultra-religious mobs shouldn't be allowed to harass underage rape victims for the personal choices they want to make! I really hope there's a gynecologist somewhere who has the courage to stand up against them.

[evil-little-dog.livejournal.com]

In regard to the fourteen year old girl - Jeez. Let's get a life here, people. Instead of worrying about the unborn child, let's deal with the poor little girl who has the stigma of you following her around as well as being raped in the first place. Her name will be remembered, I'm sure, if she's listed in the papers and on the news - and it sounds like big news to me. No good can come of this, none at all, and the church needs to realize that.

Abortion

[(Anonymous)]

You do seem to be missing a point here, and a very important one . You are not aware of the consequences of the abortion, and that is why you so lightly throw away your catholic cloak and agree on the girl killing the child.


This is still a murder, and a most hideous one - because done to those who cannot defend. There is no differcence in killing a child that has been just born or the one that is still inside the mother's womb. The infant may have only few days or weeks, but it is a human being in the full sense. It has a body, a consciousness and a soul is already present in this tiny vessel. While performing abortion ,the doctor uses a metal tongs to literally, crash the body of the child. It is the same as smashing a newbord child to pieces, dismembering in a brutal way to kill it. There is little differcence if the baby is still inside the mother or outside her, the genocide is the same.
Some people may think that this tiny cluster of flesh in the mother's womb is 'less than a human' so it can be killed with no responsibility. They are either unaware or terribly ignorant ( I pray you are the first).

The abortion will not ease the burden of the girl. I don't know if you ever happened to know someone who had commited abortion, but every woman that did it had a more or less serious mental problems afterwards. Even in countries like Japan, where no on tells that it is a sin and a serious moral crime, the women who were subject to it, semed mentally devastated. People change after it, they are never the same again. Some may extinguish the remorse and pretend that there was nothing wrong with that, but even the most insensitive ones will feel the disturbance lingering within them and will never fully regain their former serenity.

Most importantly, the girl can give birth to the child and leave it at the hospital if she does not want it or if she can't afford to rear it. There are people who would take care of it instead or even adopt it right away. You should know that.



As for the hype around the case, it may sound a bit weird, because of the way that the media put it. However I am glad that Poland had adopted such stance toward the issue of abortion. In a country which has no respect for life there can be no peace, nor prosperity. Take for instance the liberal west or despotic China, at first sight they may seem powerful and convenient, but the truth is that their citizens are not by any way 'happier' beings.
The media may do their best to ridicule the church, but you have your own mind - you can search for information, try to really understand the issue and then decide, what is the righteous choice.


As for me, when I was younger I didn't see anything against abortion and could not understand why some people oppose it so ardently. Now that I have acquired many information and enlarged my knowledge about faith, and why it forbids abortion ( what are the real consequences behind it) I realised how deadly the ignorance can be while dealing with such matter like abortion. It trembles me how lightly did I treat this matter before; when I was not really knowing what I was advocating.

Zan

Re: Abortion

[dzioo.livejournal.com]

the biggest problem for me in this whole situation is, I agree with you completely. abortion IS wrong and it always will. I'm a woman you know, so my mathernity instincts, the ones responsible for protecting everything that's innocent, defendless and newborn are especially strong. I don't need church's preeching to know and realise that.
however, because I am a woman, I also can understand how that girl feels. no, I can't understand, I can only imagine. you're a guy, you have no idea how big of a trauma a girl, especially her age, can suffer after being raped. she's only a child and with that dick's thoughtless action, her whole childhood is lost, her life is turned upside down. now she is "blessed" with a baby. for the world, it's a blessing, a new human is going to be born. for her, it's tragedy. for upcoming 9 months she's going to experience hardships and responsibility of a MOTHER. at the age of 14. she'll probably have to abandon school for this time, her friends will turn away from her probably.
yet, she's also a woman, now pregnant. she may be seeking abortion now, but I'm sure when it comes to the point when it's possible, she'll hesitate. it's a life, a human being, like you pointed out well. and she's not capable of murdering it.

this whole issue is full of conflicts. you cannot kill another human, that's a crime. but you also cannot make poor innocent girl take responsibility for something she wasn't asking for. I'd never dare start a discussion on abortion, for it's too individual issue. we women have it even harder on us. what pained me in that particular case, is media's behaviour. especially media that are connected to so called "church". don't get me wrong, I'm not defying church in general, just this one particular fraction, that does not teach about God, they're as good as a sect to me. all the priests that I've met in school were teaching us how abortion is a crime. but they didn't seek for attention, they weren't using God's name to get special governmental privilidges. THAT what pains me. I pity the girl, because life for her is going to be really really tough now, no matter what decision she makes. hopefully it's the right one.

Re: Abortion

[(Anonymous)]

I see your point. You pointed out the inequity of fate; such situations do happen unfortunately, there are many people who have been unjustly afflicted or burdened while having done nothing wrong.
I am sure you remember that God does not encumber one with a burden that would be too great for him to bear. There are always factors that are there to help and ease the burden. Maybe that girl is to give birth to the child and show others that 'it can be done' and be the guiding light to the other females that will happen to be in simmilar situation? Show that despite the dismal circumstances one can endure, remain righteous and not yield to the desire to seemingly 'ease' the burden. I know that right now I may sound idealistic, but is it really unreal ? Look deep inside yourself and you will realise that the 'hard way' is always the most noble. I realise that I may be not an authority to judge the hardships in which she found herself, however I'm speaking not my own invention, but the truths that I learned and found it true.
I suppose that you recoginze the greatness of the pope Jean Paul II, who managed to earn the respect even of those who were not sympathetic of the church. His lectures clearly enough states why life has to be protected with utmost dedication in every circumstances. If you look closely you should realise that right now I am merely echoing his words.

If you don't get my point it's okay. It is not something that can be just explained and it becames entirely clear. You have to live your life and gradually you may come to realise what life is really about and what really matters in it.

I am not accusing you of advocating abortion, but trying to explain that the'lesser evil' in case of the abortion does not look so simple. I am aware that you wrote that out of compassion and concern about the situation which shocked you so much and with the need to do everything that is possible to help the girl recover and lead a dignified life. That is very good and I'm sure you will be a good mother.

It may be an individual/personal issue, and everyone have a free will to decide about themselves, but it is our duty to do everything within our abilities to warn people of the consequences of such deeds. I know it may be hard, but we cannot treat such issues lightly and we have to make effort to try to better understand their nature.


Church going into politics do sound questionable, especially in the light of the controversies that sometimes happen to be highlighted by media. Some of the ones who overuse thier authority may negatively influence the reputation of the whole church, but we must remember that to some point the church cannot completely separate from politics. It is their duty to be the 'conscience' of the government.